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PostSubject: Why do we call HIM so?   Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:47 pm

Now i write this with utmost apprehension and caution as i do not want to challenge anyone's faith just express an opinion.
Now anyone who has done religious studies in history will know that Chrisianity was controlled and spread all over the world by the Roman Empire under the introduction and guidance of one Constantine. This resulted in the Roman Catholic Church.......Catholic as one knows means universal..so its philosophies and teaches would have been adopted world wide, by way of the violent crusades etc. Furthermore, Chrisianity was forced on people, without allowing for freedom of choice and opinion, so basically the early christian just followes what was taught to them out of fear.
Fowarding of time saw the inception of other sects of christainity of whom had courage to stand up to The Catholic doctrine and order, and so the protestant movement was formed. Out of this protestant movement is every sect of christianity that is not catholic (i.e. Anglican, Pentecostal, methodist, Adventist and the list goes on)
My point is all this separation and grouping although beneficial to the intellect of believers caused divisions amongst God's people. The rebellion to the lies told to our forefathers. And even today we are still seeing breaks off mainly from the pentecostal religion. It seems that the last thing that is to leave humanity are spiritual lies, satan being the father of them. BUt revelation and identification of these lies is where men differ in opinion and this leads to branching offs even wars etc.
And some things that have been passed down through the ages have not been questioned so we have just accepted.
Now i want to challenge ideology which i believe most have over looked.
We say Jeremiah, we say Jericho, we say Jerusalem. So why on earth is J-E-S-U-S "geezass"? now it is just a question. I know some might just play if off as pronunciation(tomayto , tomahto)and say why is this fella making a big deal about this, but isn't word power, and shouldn't a disciple watch what comes out of him, as what comes out of a man is what defiles. Do we know whom we call or invoke by saying "Geezass."
However, in my research, i have realised that Father/Jesus Christ in his infinite wisdom has already pardoned us from such a misinformed situation in Matt 12:31-32.......In truth and in fact is The Holy Spirit that will prove the real power of GOd. But, since it is english we speak and read and understand, to me, we should try to be accurate as possible espescailly when dealing with the Most HIgh. J-E-S-U-S has two pronunciations but neither of them is "Geezas". I would like to knwo where this pronunciation came from. I have been told certain things but i cannot verfiy historically.
Well I guess all i can say that it is good thing GOD judges us by, and knows our hearts. We should not keep speaking idly. I don't know anyone who is not offended if his/her name is not said in the proper manner. If not offended that person will be quick to correct the pronunciation.
What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Why do we call HIM so?   Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:48 pm

Yeshua... Eeso... Iesous... Jesus<BR>As odd as it may seem, the name Jesus is a relatively new invention, only a few hundred years old, that was created by multiple translations and stylistic changes to the original name.<BR>The name of the one born in Bethlehem to Mary and Joseph about 2000 years ago was written as in Aramaic. Most scholars agree that the common language of the entire region was Aramaic and that Jesus probably spoke Aramaic and was most likely named in Aramaic.<BR>The transliteration of the Aramaic into English has been variously written as Yeshu', Eesho' or Eshoo. <BR>There were, and still are, many different, and often contradictory, dialects of Aramaic, making it impossible to know for certain how his name was actually pronounced 2000 years ago. <BR>That same name would be written as in Hebrew and is transliterated into English as Yeshua, which is a Hebrew contraction for the name Yehoshua which means Yah is salvation or Yah saves.<BR>Many Biblical references, such as Young's Analytical Concordance, have concluded that his name was Yeshua.<BR>The really odd changes to his name all began with translation into non-Semitic languages. <BR>When the name Yeshu' was translated into Greek, the translators were first faced with the task of deciding whether they should translate the name phonetically to try to keep the sound the same, or whether they should translate the name according to its meaning. <BR>They chose to use the phonetic approach so that the sound of the name would be preserved, even though the meaning of the name would be lost in the phonetic translation.<BR>Unfortunately, the Greek language lacks some of the sounds used in Aramaic. And to further complicate the issue, all Greek masculine names must end with the letter "s". <BR>So, without the proper sounds and forced to add the "s" to the end of the name, the best that the Greek translators could do was translate the name as which is pronounced something like "ee-ay-soos". Still, that's pretty close to the original name, except for the letter "s" that was added at the end.<BR>Then, as the books of the bible began to gain wider circulation, the name was again translated, this time from Greek into Latin. In the official Catholic bible version called the Vulgate, the name was established in Latin as "Iesus". In Latin the letter "I" has a "Y" sound, so the name is pronounced something like "ye-soos", which is a pretty good approximation to the original name, except for the "s" at the end.<BR>That name was in common usage for many centuries until the Europeans began making a very stylized version of the letter "I". The new version of the letter "I" gradually acquired a sound of it's own and over time became an entirely new letter, the letter "J" with it's current "J" sound. And, along the way, the long "u" sound of "oo" was lost and it became a short "u". So, as the newly invented printing press churned out bibles, the Latin version of the name gradually became written as "Jesus" and the distorted English pronunciation as we know it today was adopted. <BR>Although the spelling "Iesus" or "Iesvs" was used in the King James version of the New Testament from 1611 to 1628, by the year 1629 the King James version began to adopt the spelling "Jesus". Gradually, during the 17th century, the name shifted from "Iesus" to the pronunciation "Jesus" that we are still using today. <BR>Thus, the name Yeshu' was gradually changed to the name Jesus.... quite a different sounding name.<BR>Fortunately, it seems that the pronunciation of the words in our prayers is much less important that the heartfelt intent of our prayers.<BR>And thereby all true seekers receive the same results whether they have learned to call on the sacred name of Jesus or Eeso or Yeshu' or Iesous.<BR>That is to say, the pronunciation of the name is really not very important, but rather it is our intent, purpose and faith that truly matter. <BR>In Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic the ancient root of the word for "name" is s-m, and while it does certainly mean "name" it also means much more. The s-m of something is that by which it is known, it is that which makes something different in a way that it can be distinguished from something else, it can mean light or sound or vibration, it is the very essence of a thing. <BR>So, to call upon someone's "shem" is not simply to call upon the sound of their name, but it means to call upon their very essence... which is far beyond the mere utterance of a name.<BR> <BR>with love,<BR> wahiduddin<BR>
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PostSubject: Re: Why do we call HIM so?   Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:48 pm

Well give thanks for that informative and indepth look.
What i have gathered from that is, each person can find his own pronounciation, how it makes sense in his head.
once it comes from the heart.
bless
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